She begins, "In recent weeks, my kids' behavior has been noticeably getting worse. I'm sure it's a combination of things: me going back to work, my husband having been gone for so long now, and the newness of having a nanny full time (who I'm sure doesn't stay on top of them the way that I do)."
I commented,"So you don't like it, which usually means you don't want it, yet you do it and your children's behavior is getting worse. Sounds like effective parenting to me. And by the way, if the nanny stayed on top of them the way you do, she'd get arrested."
She replied, "This is what I call "selective listening." My children's behavior is getting worse because we have been undergoing a number of changes at home. Up until the last couple of weeks, when those changes started occurring, my children's behavior was normal."
Ooh she scolded me! I'll bet she calls her kids that too, right before she spanks em. I responded, "I selected what you wrote and repeated it. Just so I'm clear, are you saying you didn't spank prior to the changes?"
She quipped,"You repeated what I said..editing and deleting pertinent information to make the information as dramatic as possible. You should be a TV producer. " Then put a smiley face. No flippin shit. A flapping smiley face. I don't do smiley faces, but kids say the darndest things, don't they?
"To clarify," she continued, "I did spank my children prior to the changes. Spanking has worked for them. The recent changes have triggered behavioral issues that I haven't seen before. The increase in problems with "minding" is not a result of spanking, rather a result in the changes at home. In addition...I do not see myself regretting the choice I have made for my children down the road. I am thankful to my parents for opting to spank me." Seriously I am too, cuz I can see why someone might wanna kick her ass.
Of course she doesn't think she'll regret it. If we knew which choices we were gonna regret, we'd make different ones. I didn't promise not to say dumb ass, did I? I don't care how she thinks she'll feel. What about her kids? Maybe they'll thank her every Mothers Day with roses or equate love with physical pain. Who knows? I didn't.
I was a just confused TV producer wondering why's their behavior was deteriorating if spanking's so effective and since she doesn't like it, why she's doing it? I think you should be comfortable with your discipline choices. If you don't like physically hurting your child, maybe you shouldn't.
I also don't know the difference between a spank, slap, smack and hit. You slap a face, smack an arm and spank a butt, but they're all the same act. The verb changes because of the noun. I can't spank your face, but if I slap your ass, that's a spank. WTF?
I've been a mom over 3 decades, 25 years ago I thought spanking was discipline. Then I realized I wanted respect, not fear. Obedience from spanking lasts as long as from a timeout and rewards last even longer. How can it be better to hurt a child than use the opportunity to build self-esteem? If you rely on spanking, how do you discipline your teen? Told ya I was confused.
I've been a mom over 3 decades, 25 years ago I thought spanking was discipline. Then I realized I wanted respect, not fear. Obedience from spanking lasts as long as from a timeout and rewards last even longer. How can it be better to hurt a child than use the opportunity to build self-esteem? If you rely on spanking, how do you discipline your teen? Told ya I was confused.
Lotsa people on BlogHer said they used to get spanked, but ya know, there's a whole buncha shit parents used to do...kids swam without sunscreen, rode bikes without helmets, rode in cars without car seats, took baby aspirin, and were bullied..then we found better ways.
Modernmamaz says spankings are, "...always a last resort. My children are always given multiple chances to correct the issue before it comes to this." She works full-time and has a full-time nanny, in the few hours she spends with em, how can she become so frustrated "it comes to this?" I put my listening ears on and still didn't understand.
Her original title is,"Discipline Is Obsolete." She writes, "We are raising a generation of children who are over-sensitive because they eventually find out they aren't as good at baseball or ballet as some other kid and their parents promised them that everyone is equal. they feel entitled because we teach them that they should. They throw tantrums when life doesn't go their way because their parents have tiptoed around to make sure that it does." That's her rationale for hitting her kids.
In, "The Guilt Stricken Mother, Parenting A Child With ADHD," she said, "My oldest son suffers with this disorder to the extent that he often has trouble controlling his own body movements. Simply walking from one room to another without falling or getting sidetracked proves to be an almost impossible task..." He has trouble walking and she hits him? That should help with his body movements. After reading that, I finally understood. All along I'd been thinkin she must have valid reasoning, but it looks like she may, in fact, just be a breeding, writing idiot. :)
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14 comments:
I grew up in the age when parents could legally spank their kids. Looking back I think I respect that, I was a bad ass little shit and it had to be something very bad for it to come to that. Enjoyed reading your posting. :)
What I was saying is, if that's what you wanna do, then be comfortable with it. And if you're gonna do it, it should be effective. I can't judge her choices, but it didn't make sense to hurt your kid, not like it, have it not work and continue doing it. However, menopause has made me dumb, so that could be it. I think I need the book on your blog post!
I understood and sadly there are some parents who take it way beyond the limits. When my one son was 17 he got into some trouble with the law I was so PO'd and mad at him when he was being arraigned I stood up and said in front of the judge, police and everyone- "Yo, when I get you home I am whooping the dog shit outta you." :) Of course I didn't, but the judge and policeman laughed. :)
My parents never really spanked, but they yelled. A lot. Especially my mother. I had friends who I knew had parents who spanked. At one house "the belt" hung in the coat closet. These parents scared the shit out of me even though I knew that they would never touch me. Because then I would have to have my Mom yell at them. But seriously, as a parent, I have chosen not to spank for several reasons. Mainly because I don't feel comfortable with it. And also because I would like my relationship with my children to be based on respect rather than fear. Great post!!
OMG I love that expressive baby pic! Boy, that Modernmamaz is something. Good conversation with her, I think you got her. Must be that TV producer in you...lol! I like your comment “how can it be better to hurt a child than use the opportunity to build self-esteem?” Agree!
Glad they laughed. Hope he stopped that stuff. My eldest boy did get spanked and he got in trouble too. A lot of it. My eldest girl got spanked, but she turned out ok. 5 more never were spanked, and are all well so far. I just didn't like myself when I spanked and hated hurting them, so I stopped. Thanks for your comments.
I yell more than I should. And I don't feel comfortable with that or spanking. Thank you for stopping by.
Yeh that baby is a hoot!
I read that post today - and only got through about 20 of the comments b/f I had to close my computer. Best line of yours? "If your nanny had the same standards as you, she'd be arrested." So true!
Research/recommended reading:
Spanking Can Make Children More Aggressive Later
http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_03122010.cfm
Spanking Kids Increases Risk of Sexual Problems
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2008/feb/lw28spanking.cfm
Use of Spanking for 3-Year-Old Children and Associated Intimate Partner Aggression or Violence
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/126/3/415
Spanking Children Can Lower IQ
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2009/sept/lw25straus.cfm
Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak
http://www.nospank.net/pt2010.pdf
The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson
http://nospank.net/sdsc2.pdf
"Spanking" can be intentional or unintentional sexual abuse
http://www.nospank.net/101.htm
In light of the Judge Adams video,
We often hear from those who fight to uphold this practice for those under the age of 18 (even to the blaming of the social maladies of the day on a supposed "lack" of it), but we rarely, if ever, find advocates for the return of corporal punishment to the general adult community, college campuses, inmate population, or military. Why is that?
Ask ten unyielding proponents of child/adolescent/teenage-only "spanking" about the "right" way to do it, and what would be abusive, indecent, or obscene, and you will get ten different answers.
These proponents should consider making their own video-recording of the "right way" to do it.
Visit Parents and Teachers Against Violence in Education to learn more.
Thank you 18andsafe for your links and post. Good points.
Is this woman insane? No one should spank kids ... only consenting adults ;D
I think she's an idiot, but I guess ahe could be an insane idiot!
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